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China, N. Korea seem to forget their own history
Published on January 2, 2004 By Poi Dog In Current Events
If any of you have been keeping up with the Japanese and their current events, then you know of the controversial visits of Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi to the Japanese shrine of the war dead. What is controversial about it, you may ask. China and North Korea continue to express their opinion that Japan owes war reparations and apologies for the atrocities committed by Japanese troops during and before World War II. Koizumi was quoted by Reuters to say, in response to his visit to the shrine on New Year's Day:

"One does not comment about another country's respect of its history, traditions or customs"

Okay. Now what's wrong with this picture? Nobody denies the fact that Japan's troops were guilty of atrocities, such as the Rape of Nanking, and the Bataan Death March. And Koizumi most certainly doesn't revel in the fact that those horrible deeds sit on the shoulders of the Japanese. Junichiro simply is paying his respects to the people that laid their lives down for the sake of their nation.

But China and North Korea, of all people, are infuriated with the deed of visiting the shrine of the war dead. I'm personally extremely sick and tired of the political manipulations of the Chinese. The nation who slaughtered its citizens, and suppressed fundamental human rights, and continues to do so until this day. And right behind them is North Korea, the land of the starving and destitute, ruled by a virtual dictatorship, and responsible for executions and war itself. Need I remind you that during the Korean War, the Chinese fought hand in hand with the communist North Korea?

There are no winners here, but common sense tells me that if you are as guilty as your neighbor, then I think you both should repent instead of point that finger. At least Japan has made significant leaps and bounds to rejoin the global community as a prosperous and faithful nation, committed to many wonderful achievements. Meanwhile China has been sluggish and slow, unless they are faced with uprisings, and then they are swift and lethal in jailing and snuffing out insubordination. North Korea? A joke that isn't funny, considering the hundreds of thousands that struggle to survive, while their leaders play the bluffing game and stifle the economy.

So, I say if Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi wants to honor the war dead, then leave him be. At least he has the honor to remember the past and to pray for peace.
Comments
on Jan 03, 2004
Poi dog, would you consider erecting a statue to honor the german soldiers who died fighting for hitler morally right? Or maybe they should put up a shrine honoring the the operators of aushuwitz. I was born in China and have met people who have been tortured, raped, and who has family memebers that were buried alive by Japanese soldiers, putting up a shrine to honor these thugs would be a slap in the face to those who's entire lives have been ruined by these monsters.
This has nothing to do with chinese or korean politics, it has to do with respecting the millions butchered by the japanese.
Assuming you are an american, how would you feel if they put up a shrine to honor the 9/11 bombers?
on Jan 03, 2004
I'm with Poi on this one. Honoring those who fought for their country right or wrong. But Mach, honoring the dead by putting up an in-your-face shrine is another story. No, I would not want to see a statue of a Japanese soldier at Pearl Harbor. And what about Poi's comment about Mao and Chiang-Kai-shek's atrocities? I'm sure there are shrines in China for Mao and Chiang's in Taiwan.
on Jan 03, 2004
I have nothing against honoring soldiers who fought for their country. However, this particualar shrine is offensive to the people, not the gov, Mao and Chiang has nothing to do with this issue, its not them that were put to death by japanese soldiers, it was the citizens who did nothing to bring this atrocity on themselves. I said this in my last post, it would be like puttin up a memorial for the gestapo in the middle of berlin, it offends people and reignites old passions.
on Jan 03, 2004
Machiavelli, I truly understand where you are coming from, and why many people would feel tortured by the fact that Koizumi is honoring the shrine that houses SOME barbarous rapists, murderers, and thugs. However, as in all life, there are good things that come out of the worst of situations. Our nation's soldiers have been thugs as well, but since we are usually on the liberating side of things, we escape heavy judgement. Many American WWII veterans I have interviewed have explicitly stated AS FACT that they regarded the Germans as 'German-speaking Americans, and vice-versa'. They were not referring to the executioners of Auschwitz, they were talking about the average German soldier. And those men killed each other endlessly. Gerhard Schroeder was recently invited to the 60th anniversary of D-Day, to help heal wounds between the European nations. That doesn't right the wrongs, but it does help to mend relations. And there is a big difference between erecting a 9/11 statue for specific terrorists, and dutifully respecting the dead Iraqis who fought for what they believed in, which includes wars with other countries, and simple soldiers who just died from natural causes. A soldier is a soldier, and in our nation, the Medal of Honor winners lie in shallow graves next to men who shot POWs out of rage. In this day and age, one can only do two things: Forgive, and remember.
Please don't blow my remarks out of proportion with outrageous suggestions. Junichiro Koizumi, I'm sure, would rather not offend his closest trading ally, so I give him the respect for paying tribute to the people who sacrificed themselves in spite of ominous pressure. I say this knowing that my own grandfather fought against those who lie buried in that shrine.
on Jan 03, 2004
Gah. Lets be real folks. China's communist regime have slaughtered tens of millions of people. It is laughable for China and North Korea to 'wave the bloody shirt' at anyone, they are pigs. They have parades commemorating horrors they they themselves perpetrated, and refuse to accept the evils of them. Japan, at the very least, will accept what they did as wrong and have stopped the practices. It is kind of weak to pick on the Japanese, when the Chinese have done worse to their own people and continue to on a daily basis.

We have our black wailing wall for all those US troops that died in VietNam, and think of what we did to people there. There were many atrocities committed in South East Asia by american troops, should we not show respect to them? 100,000 women were raped when the Russians invaded Germany in WW2. US Civil War Generals waged their war of attrition on *civilians* on both sides. WW1 was a horror-show in terms of human rights.

So, you have to differentiate between paying respects to the soldiers, and paying respect to atrocity. Most soldiers have no urge to harm, rape, or pillage. Their nation calls, and they go. If horrors occur, you place the blame on those responsible, not the average voiceless soldier just trying to stay alive and get home. What critics of Japan are doing has everything to do with politics, since they continue to unapologetically commit horrors to this day.

on Jan 03, 2004
I agree with Poi again. And if Germany wanted to erect a temple to honor those who did fight for Germany in WW2, that is their business. These are still brave young men and women who fight, no matter what kind of shadow history casts on the motives of the conflict. And any country has a right to honor it's fallen soldiers.
on Jan 03, 2004
P.S.

"would you consider erecting a statue to honor the german soldiers who died fighting for hitler morally right?"

Yes.

Would I consider a statue of Hitler, Himmler, or Goebbels, etc., morally right? No. You have to differentiate. The average Japanese and German soldier had no more choice to fight than US soldiers, and far less ability to effect policy in their nation. They suffered and died with the same valor that the Allies soldiers fought, with no more malice or evil intent. They did the best they could with what they knew, and what they were allowed to do.

Those that committed atrocities should never be commemorated, and those who didn't shouldn't share their condemnation.

on Jan 04, 2004
Thank you, BakerStreet, you have hit the ethical nail on the head; you have completed my thoughts. I especially like the analogy made between the average German soldier and a statue of Hitler or Goebbels.
on Jan 05, 2004
A solider fights. In many cases, he either fights or dies. To say that every Japanese soldier was a thug wouldn't be the truth. They did exist, as do all..
But for every thug, there is usually three or four soldiers who are just doing as they are told to do..would you not honor them?
Wouldn't it mean if you hated them all that you were racist?

War is HELL. Pity those who die in hell without ever knowing why.